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Table Talk: April 16

(article, Kim O'Donnel)

This week's chat, on Thursday, April 16 (10 a.m. PDT, 1 p.m. EDT), was on eating cheap. 

Here are some Culinate links about this topic:

[/articles/ourtable/theultimatebudgetmeal "Rice and bean favorites: The ultimate budget meal."] We polled a host of bean-eaters; here's what they told us.
[/articles/culinate8/cheapmeals "Cheap meals: How to think beyond coupons."] Eight dinners that won't break the bank.
[/articles/theculinateinterview/johnkallas "John Kalls: Into the wild."] A forager at work.

See you Thursday!

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 </div><div class="cilblogholder"><div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">9:59</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;It's the morning after...Tax Day. Who else is feeling like an overcooked noodle?<br />For the next hour, the operative words are <strong>CHEAP</strong> and <strong>GOOD</strong>.     <br />Got any tricks for keeping the kitchen budget low? Share with the class. <br />Need a hand on gettting kitchen-thrifty?   Let me -- and your fellow Table Talk mates help you out.   <br />Let's get this El Cheap-o party started! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:01</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;A few links for your cheap viewing pleasure:<br /><a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/2009/04/cheaptrickstheincredibleeg.html" target="blank" >Cheap Tricks: The Incredible Egg</a><br /><br /><a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/2009/04/survivingtaxdaywiththeche.html" target="blank" >On Tax Day, Cheap Is on the Menu</a><br /><br /> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:03</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;<p>What about leftovers, Kim? I've taken to keeping a container of cooked grains — brown rice, oat groats — ready-to-go in the fridge. They make great salads …</p> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:04</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;I'm all about leftovers. I love making a bunch of rice and using it for fried rice the next day. With a fried egg and a few veg in the wok, it's a killer 2nd-day meal. Takes about 8 minutes too. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:04</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>Here are a couple of blog posts I wrote on how to save money.  Butcher your own meat and make your own grain/pasta salads...
<a href="http://www.culinate.com/mix/dinnerguest/howtosavemoneyinthekitchen" target="blank">Save money in the kitchen</a>, 
<a href="http://www.culinate.com/mix/dinnerguest/savemoneybymakingyourowngrainsalad" target="blank">Save money with Grain Salad</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:05</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Nice! Thanks Hank. I actually cribbed from your terrific piece on cutting up a chicken. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:06</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;The thing about going cheap is that it takes work. We're so used to have everything convenient, but that of course cost money. Those cut-up veg are 3,4 x more than just buying whole, for ex. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:06</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>Yes, I saw that.  It made me feel good about myself :) </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:07</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Guest]<br>We just had left over black beans and rice for lunch. They are so much better the second day. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap>10:07</td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext" ><div style="width: 390px;background-color: #f4f4f4;overflow:visible;padding-left: 10px; border: 1px solid #999999;"><strong>What is your favorite cheap and easy meal ingredient?</strong><br>Rice<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:26px;background-color:#ff9900;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 7% )</div></div>Beans<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:160px;background-color:#CC0000;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 43% )</div></div>Pasta<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:134px;background-color:#00CC00;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 36% )</div></div>Chicken<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#3300FF;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div>Veggies<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:52px;background-color:#00CCCC;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 14% )</div></div>Caviar<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#990099;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div><br></div></td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:07</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;Mmmm. Bulger is a new-found favorite of mine. Here's Carrie's bulger salad. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:07</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;<a href="http://www.culinate.com/recipes/collections/Culinate+Kitchen/Side+Dishes/bulgurpilaf" target="blank" >http://www.culinate.com/recipes/collections/Culinate+Kitchen/Side+Dishes/bulgurpilaf</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:08</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Nice! I have a recipe mixing bulgur and mint, with lentils. Gotta get that up in my blog. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:08</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>yes, but haven't studies recently shown that it takes hardly any more time to prep your own veggies than to prepare meals from ready-to-cook ingredients? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:09</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Sarah, have't seen this myself, but I think the time nec. here is in planning ahead, what the week will look like. most of us just wanna grab and go. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:09</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>and I actually find it's therapeutic to chop carrots and onions. way better than wandering the aisles of the grocery store. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:10</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;You're preaching to the choir here about chopping and getting therapy! I do it all the time. Just gotta make sure I don't cut off my finger in chopping bliss, tho. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:10</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Sass]<br>We make homemade pasta! There's an initial investment for a roller (believe me, we tried to use a rolling pin and it was nightmarish), but it's incredibly cheap and surprisingly convenient -- mix the dough, rest it for a few minutes while doing something else useful, start the water boiling while you roll and cut, cook two minutes, et voila! We use half semolina and half white whole wheat. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:10</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;Sarah: Doing it ourselves avoids <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/isabel-cowles/nasty-habits-of-food-netwb187416.html" target="blank" >packaging waste</a>, that's for sure. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:10</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Sass, you're my hero! I still can't get the homemade pasta thing down. I feel like Lucy everytime. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:10</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>A knife-skills class is usually around $50 and pays for itself in no time if it gives you more confidence to prep your own stuff. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:11</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Amen to some knife skills. Sometimes I think about doing a traveling road show offering knife skills classes 'round the country.   I could get me a trailer. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:12</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>Hank, I keep hearing about knife-skills classes! do you teach them, or have you taken one? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:12</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Learning how to cut an onion is a very empowering thing! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:13</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>Sarah, I took a 10-month knife skills class called Culinary School :)  But I took a consumer class before that.  I haven't taught any yet, but I am available . . . :) </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap>10:13</td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext" ><div style="width: 390px;background-color: #f4f4f4;overflow:visible;padding-left: 10px; border: 1px solid #999999;"><strong>Kitchen techniques:  Where do you think you need to improve you skills the most?</strong><br>Knife skills<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:123px;background-color:#ff9900;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 33% )</div></div>Pasta making<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:93px;background-color:#CC0000;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 25% )</div></div>Cooking beans<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:29px;background-color:#00CC00;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 8% )</div></div>Cooking grains<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:93px;background-color:#3300FF;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 25% )</div></div>Shopping savvy<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:29px;background-color:#00CCCC;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 8% )</div></div>Heat<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#990099;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div><br></div></td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:13</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Hey Hank, maybe you can come on the road with me... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:14</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From South Dakota]<br>Hi Kim.  Wanted to update you after my experiment with curry last week.  I made a sour yellow curry soup, I didn't have any coconut milk, so it was broth based, I added onion, garlic, cabbage, potato and mushroom. Wow - it was very good, even without the creaminess.  Looking on the web later I found two similar recipes, gaeng som and gang luang gung.  Whichever, it was a perfect soup for a cold day.  I am ready for spring, but it's still chilly here.  To warm up I made gazpacho last night with frozen tomatoes from last summer's garden.  The texture was a bit off of course, but the taste was all there.  Starting to plan my garden... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:15</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Hey South Dakota! So proud of your gumption. Keep up the excellent work! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:15</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Remember, I told you I'd send a few cans of coconut milk... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:15</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Arlington Gay]<br>Hey, Kim! It works. I did the ad hoc pot pie the other night and was wondering if you have a biscuit recipe similar to the pie dough. I'd love to make cheddar biscuits. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:16</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Hey GAFF! So glad you werent' locked out. I have a wonderful biscuit recipe from my pal Scott Peacock. Lemme see if I can dig it up. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:16</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Anyone else have tasty biscuit deets to share with GAFF? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap>10:18</td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext" ><div style="width: 390px;background-color: #f4f4f4;overflow:visible;padding-left: 10px; border: 1px solid #999999;"><strong>How are you saving money on food in these uncertain times?</strong><br>Less eating out<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:149px;background-color:#ff9900;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 40% )</div></div>Using more coupons<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#CC0000;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div>Comparison shopping<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#00CC00;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div>Cheaper ingredients<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:74px;background-color:#3300FF;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 20% )</div></div>Cooking for the week<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:26px;background-color:#00CCCC;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 7% )</div></div>Creative leftover meals<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:123px;background-color:#990099;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 33% )</div></div><br></div></td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:18</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;<a href="http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/BrowseArchives?searchAuthor=oid%3A16635" target="blank" >Southern Biscuits for a Yankee Gal</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:19</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>I got this biscuit recipe from The Washington Post some time ago.  Have never made it, but it sounded good. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:20</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;Not sure about these <a href="http://www.culinate.com/content/1698/Sweet+Potato+Biscuits" target="blank" >sweet-potato biscuits</a> for pot pie, but they look tasty.   </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:20</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Thanks Thia, and welcome back! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:20</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>This recipe:  Fluffy Southern Biscuits
The Washington Post, November 7, 2007
These lush, tender biscuits, developed by Teri Yonan Beasley, have crisp edges, thanks to butter in the skillet and a very hot oven. Like all biscuits, they are at their best served warm, with homemade preserves and more butter.
If you don't have White Lily flour, which has a lower protein content, combine 1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour with 1/4 cup cake flour.
Makes 6 very large biscuits
* 6 tablespoons (3/4 stick) unsalted butter, for the skillet 
• 1 3/4 cups sifted White Lily flour 
• 1 tablespoon sugar 
• 2 teaspoons aluminum-free baking powder, such as Rumford brand 
• 1 teaspoon baking soda 
• 1 teaspoon kosher salt 
• 1/4 cup cold vegetable shortening, cut into small cubes 
• 1 cup cold low-fat buttermilk 
Position an oven rack in the middle of the oven; preheat to 500 degrees.
Melt the butter in a large cast-iron skillet over medium-low heat. Keep it hot on the stove until you're ready to bake the biscuits.
Sift the flour into a large mixing bowl. Add the sugar, baking powder, baking soda and salt, and mix well. Add the shortening and toss to coat. Working quickly, use a fork or your fingers to cut the shortening into the flour until the mixture resembles large peas.
Make a well in the center of the mixture and add the buttermilk, stirring with light, quick strokes just until the dough is combined. Do not overwork. The dough will be very wet.
Use a large spoon to drop the dough into the hot skillet, forming 6 mounds spaced evenly apart. Immediately turn each biscuit over to coat with butter and transfer the skillet to the middle oven rack. Reduce the temperature to 475 degrees. Bake for 12 to 14 minutes, until golden brown on top and puffed. Serve immediately.
Adapted from "The Fearless Chef," by Andy Husbands and Joe Yonan (Adams Media, 2004).
238 calories, 9g fat, 3g saturated fat, 3mg cholesterol, 706mg sodium, 32g carbohydrates, 1g dietary fiber, 5g protein. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:20</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Hmm. Sweet potato biscuits sound like a great topping for pot pie. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:20</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>It's sort of blasphemous but there's a recent NY Times article about southerners digging on frozen biscuits . . . <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/dining/15united.html" target="blank" >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/dining/15united.html</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:21</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;really? this i must see... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:21</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;meat eaters: do you find you're experimenting with cheaper cuts of meat? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:22</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;or is meat just not an option right now? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:23</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Making your own bread is also a huge money saver. I love the four-loaf dough from Artisan Brad in Five Minutes a Day, that you can keep in fridge for 2 weeks. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:24</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>Eating less meat.  Trying to use more flavorful bits - bacon, smoked hocks, smoked turkey thighs, cured sausage. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:26</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Those flavorful bits can go a long way! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:26</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>definitely using cheaper cuts, and eating less meat. i've been loving bacon ends, and using lard as both fat and flavoring. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:27</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/2009/03/whitebreadthreewayspartii1.html" target="blank" >White Bread, Three Ways: Part III</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:27</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;are you getting bacon ends from farm market? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:27</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Sass]<br>I've played with pork butt quite a bit over the winter, but pondering how to transition cheaper cuts to summer... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:28</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>yes! $2 for a really nice quantity that usually gets me through two soups or batches of greens/cabbage. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:29</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Sass,   you can smoke the butt -- have you ever smoked meat on the grill? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:29</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>Sass, how about cooking up a roast -- think corned beef or roast pork -- and slicing it thin to put on salads and summer sandwiches? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:29</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Pat]<br>I shop for the bargains for meat and stock up with good quality meat at good prices.  I use my seal-a-meal and have kept meat in my freezer for months with no freezer burn. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:31</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;The $2 bacon ends remind me of halibut cheeks at the fisherman's terminal...altho they may be more than two bucks! Still, these cheaper cuts are great stuff. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap>10:31</td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext" ><div style="width: 390px;background-color: #f4f4f4;overflow:visible;padding-left: 10px; border: 1px solid #999999;"><strong>Now that the reality of tax day has past, what are you doing differently about food budgeting?</strong><br>Nothing, already very focused<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:93px;background-color:#ff9900;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 25% )</div></div>More eating at home<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:123px;background-color:#CC0000;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 33% )</div></div>Started a veggie garden<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:93px;background-color:#00CC00;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 25% )</div></div>Joined a CSA<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#3300FF;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div>Learning to master spreadsheets<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:29px;background-color:#00CCCC;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 8% )</div></div>Too worn out to think about it now<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:29px;background-color:#990099;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 8% )</div></div><br></div></td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:31</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;My husband has been baking bread since December, but the other day we ran out. So I bought a loaf of locally made whole-grain bread. It cost nearly $6!  <br />   </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:31</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Pat, how do you like the seal-o-meal? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:31</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Arlington Gay]<br>Cheap beef, tenderizer, and a braise. But we don't eat beef often, anyway. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:32</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Carrie Oliver]<br>I think Pat nailed it.  Rather than eat cheap meat, we buy in bulk to get a mix of cuts (some that typically cost less than others and some that are more $).  If it hasn't been professionally frozen, it's still okay if you have it vacuum-sealed and put it in the freezer. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:32</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Kim, I was thinking same thing when I was at store yesterday -- five dollars for a loaf that I know we wouldn't use next day, so decided to forego. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:33</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;I really need to get more in the habit of buying meat in bulk. I tend to do this for seafood, why not meat? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:33</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Pat]<br>I love it ... at first I resisted getting it, but we use it quite a bit ... we also got the marinating tray ... put the meat in with a marinade, pull a vacuum and the meat is ready for cooking within an hour. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:35</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;<a href="http://www.coveritlive.com/-" target="blank" >Buz's Best Barbecue Ribs</a> Sass, I know you're not looking for ribs per se, but link takes you to a piece I wrote last year about low/slow smoking using wood. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:35</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Sass]<br>I've never tried grill-smoking! How does it work? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:35</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Carrie Oliver]<br>Can I ask what brand of Foodsaver you use? Have been thinking to buy one myself. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:35</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Organic Gal]<br>I'm with Pat...I've started only buying meat when it's on sale, then using my vacuum sealer for the freezer too.  I've started using more chicken thighs instead of breast, and want to branch out into cutting up whole chickens, too.  But that's something I really don't know how to do well.  My kitchen tends to look like the latest Quentin Tarantino movie when I'm done.  Kim, can you post a how to cut up chicken some day?  or have a good reference for that? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:35</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>also I've been reading about seasonality in animal products, and how a century ago we would eat more eggs and milk/cheese in the spring and summer months, when animals were having babies and were too young to butcher. so poached eggs in spinach... quiche... egg salad... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:36</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Anyone else feeling pleasure in making your own stuff? I am feeling quite pleased with myself when I learn how to make my own ketchup, for example, and always feel good when pizza from dough I made comes out of oven... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:37</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Pat]<br>I have the Rival Seal A Meal which I purchased in the advice of a friend. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:38</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From longlake]<br>Kim - can you check the link to Buz's Ribs...Didn't work for me.  Thanks! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:38</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/2008/05/truebluebarbecueribs.html" target="blank" >Buz's Barbecue Ribs</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:38</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>I used to be kind of a grocery-store snob, but now I go to Winco a lot.  Whole wheat bread with no transfats or HFCS for $1.58 a loaf </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:39</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Actually, Organic Gal, Hank and I both have done something on this. Hank,can u post that link again? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:39</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Carrie Oliver]<br>Yes, Kim, I feel really great when I make my own food including pizza dough/sauce from scratch. Fun for kids (even teens!), too.  Love to try making ketchup, you have a recipe for this? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:40</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;<p>Whoa, Hank, that's cheap. I was buying <a href="http://www.daveskillerbread.com/" target="blank" >Dave's</a>  bread,  which is good but spendy.</p> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:41</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Sarah, this is something I learned from a farmer I got to know in Virginia, that chicken was cool-weather chow and that egg supply decreases in summer....getting in touch w/ Mother Nature! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:41</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>Potluck meals with the neighbors is another good way to go.  There is always a variety of food and more than enough leftovers to share. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:42</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;Carrie, not quite ketchup, but here's a <a href="http://www.culinate.com/recipes/collections/Culinate+Kitchen/Basics/Tomato-Jalapeño+Chutney" target="blank" >tomato-jalapeno chutney recipe</a> on Culinate. I'm partial, but it's awesome! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:42</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Sass]<br>Ha! Buz and Ned's is right down the road from my mom's house, and she loves it. Thanks for the link! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:42</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Texas]<br>Kim, I'm looking for a two-in-one salt and pepper mill.  There seem to be a lot out there -- including really expensive electric ones! -- so do you have a recommendation for a good value?  I'm not the strongest girl out there so I don't want one I have to really wrench. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:43</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>I too am thrilled with making my own foods. although it's only cheap to make ketchup if you grow your own tomatoes! I think I figured it's $4 plus for a pint even with $1/lb tomatoes from the farmer's market :) </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap>10:44</td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext" ><div style="width: 390px;background-color: #f4f4f4;overflow:visible;padding-left: 10px; border: 1px solid #999999;"><strong>With all this talk about cheaper eating, who do you think might rise as the Frugal Gourmet of this generation?</strong><br>Alice Waters<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#ff9900;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div>Rachel Ray<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:48px;background-color:#CC0000;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 13% )</div></div>Mark Bittman<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:141px;background-color:#00CC00;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 38% )</div></div>Jamie Oliver<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:48px;background-color:#3300FF;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 13% )</div></div>Nobody, yet<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:141px;background-color:#00CCCC;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 38% )</div></div>Other<br><div style="width:375px;height: 16px;background-color:#999999;border:1px solid #444;text-align:left;padding: 0px; margin-bottom: 7px;"><div id="answerbar" style="position: absolute; width:0px;background-color:#990099;color: #FFFFFF;height:14px;overflow:hidden;"></div><div style="position:absolute; color: #ffffff;line-height: 12px;">&nbsp;( 0% )</div></div><br></div></td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:45</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;By the way, I'm going to host another Eating Down the Fridge challege in June -- week of june 22, to be exact.   Stay tuned for those details. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:45</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Thia, do you find you're doing more neighborly meals given state of economy? I love this idea. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:46</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;<p>Kim, how will you manage the EDTF challenge with all the tender, delicate items coming into market at that time? I think I need to buy strawberries alone at least three times a week in June!</p> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:47</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/2009/02/ketchupholdthehfcs.html" target="blank" >Ketchup, Hold the HFCS</a><br /><br />carrie, it's not as thick as you may be used to, but it's got a terrific flavor. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:47</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Kim, that's why I think it will be so interesting, how we handle such a challenge at diff. times of the year. Hoping to the EDF on a quarterly basis... </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:48</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>I'm certainly doing more neighborly meals. sharing soup is such a wonderful, cheap way to "entertain" </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:48</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>Kim, we've been doing them for at least eight year, particularly in the summer when we set up a portable gazebo in our front year and there's a standing invite for people to come over to share beverages. Then that gets everyone thinking about food and we then plan quite a few get togethers over the course of the summer and fall. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:49</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;I've been kicking around the idea of monthly pizza night for a group of friends -- one person provides dough and sauce, everyone else brings their toppings/vino, and it could be a hootenanny. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:49</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>It's a lot of fun and the variety of foodstuffs makes things interesting. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:50</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>@organic gal: here is the link to the chicken butchering article I did: <a href="http://www.culinate.com/mix/dinnerguest/howtosavemoneyinthekitchen" target="blank" >http://www.culinate.com/mix/dinnerguest/howtosavemoneyinthekitchen</a> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:50</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Just got wind of a new book called Eat Cheap But Eat Well. paging through it, will let you know what I think. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:50</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Guest]<br>Hi Kim!  I was thinking about finally trying the Guinness Chocolate Cake recipe.  Do you think it would work as cupcakes?  Thanks! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:51</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>We have one neighbor with whom we do potlucks year around.  That helps to spread about the expense. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:51</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>Thia, that's such a lovely idea. friends have been talking about organizing standing (weekly, bi-weekly) potlucks... maybe I'll get the gumption to start one! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:52</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;On the subject of chicken, I like to remove back and spatchcock the bird, flatten it, takes 1/3 of the time in the oven, then use the back for stock. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:52</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>@ kim - yes Dave's was and is our favorite storebought bread, but I figure we are saving $500 a year by switching.  the winco stuff is pretty good! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:52</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Wow! $500 year on bread savings! That's a lot of dough!<img title="Laughing" src="http://www.coveritlive.com/mambots/editors/tinymce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" /> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:54</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;I have only canned a few times in my life, but I'm thinking this is the year to really do it full force. Who's on board? Imagine the canning parties and what we can learn from each other. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:54</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;Hey all: Have you read <a href="http://cheaphealthygood.blogspot.com/" target="blank" >Cheap Healthy Good</a>? Lots of good tips for eating cheap. Also the blog <a href="http://noteatingoutinny.com/" target="blank" >Not Eating Out in New York</a> has good recipes. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:54</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>there are good-quality grocery bargains out there.  the annoying thing is the time it takes to find them.  but with more people out of work . . . </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:55</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;All this resourcefulness is inspiring. We gotta keep sharing the wealth of our collective knowledge. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:55</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>i've been meaning to figure out how much baking bread costs using huge 25-pound bags of organic flour -- I think I'm at about $2 per loaf </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:55</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Sarah, it might be even less than that! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:55</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>Every January a neighbor also has a chili cookoff with at about 20 entries.  Leftovers there, too. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:56</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Carrie Oliver]<br>Thanks for the ketchup & tomato chutney recipes.  Now if I can only find some good tomatoes. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:56</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Carrie, soon come, my dear! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:56</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From sarah gilbert]<br>Kim, I'm totally on board with virtual canning parties :) I need to triple my tomato sauce output this summer :) </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:57</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Programming note: I'll be doing a meatless chat in two weeks, Apr 30, and the last Thurs of every month, going forward. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:57</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>sarah that is a good price for organic.  Ken from Ken's Artisan Bakery was telling me that organic wheat might not be great for the environment because they have to till the land more which leads to erosion.  Why is everything so complicated??? </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:57</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Thia]<br>Can you hear the clapping from this vegetarian?  Thanks Kim. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:58</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim C.</strong>: &nbsp;<p>Hank, here's <a href="http://www.culinate.com/articles/sift/perennialwheatmonocroptopsoildeadzone" target="blank" >one solution</a> to the erosion problem. Maybe?</p> </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:59</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;I agree, everything has become so complicated. Kim and I were just talking about how the seafood situation changes every day, but hopefully in next few weeks we will be hosting a chat focused on what's out there that's green/sustainable, health risks, cooking tips, etc. </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilviewertext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">10:59</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilviewertext">[Comment From Hank Sawtelle]<br>not a vegetarian and also clapping.  I think big hunks of meat are not the wave of the responsible dining future . . . </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">11:01</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;I write a meatless feature every Monday. This week: <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/mighty-appetite/2009/04/meatlessmondaypartydownwit.html" target="blank" >Black Eye Pea Pate</a>. tAking a break from meat once a week is a very manageable undertaking! </td></tr></table></div>
<div class="cilchatmsg" ><table><tr valign="top"><td class="cilmsgtime cilhosttext" nowrap><div style="width: 45px;">11:02</div> </td><td class="cilmsgtext cilhosttext"><strong>Kim ODonnel</strong>: &nbsp;Looks like our time is up, folks. Thanks for stopping by! Til next week -- and keep us posted on topics you'd like to have covered or anything else on your mind. You can findn me here: writingfood AT <a href="http://gmail.com" target="blank" >gmail.com</a><br />Bye! </td></tr></table></div>
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